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Is it really true that when you were at the Pasadena Playhouse you and Dustin Hoffman were picked the most least likely to succeed. I find that hard to believe. Well, I was certainly and they used to grade us on ***, uh, I think *** 4 point average of in like 7 or 8 different categories, characterization, makeup, movement. Um, that kind of thing, and I think the highest I ever got was *** 1.4 or something like that and um. Which doesn't say anything, uh, against passing *** playhouse except that it's very tough to grade actors I mean because it's, it's such *** subjective kind of, kind of thing that that who's to say who can be an actor and who can't. Dustin, I think stayed uh the second year and I think he probably got much better. Is it true that you and Bob Redford and Robert Duvall and Dustin Hoffman all wandered the streets of New York together looking for *** job? I didn't know Bob Redford at the time, but um. Uh, Bobby DuVall and and Dustin and I all chummed around together. Dustin lived with, uh, my wife and I for *** short time, and then I introduced him to Bob Duval, and they shared apartments off and on for *** number of years. You and Bob Duvall played the same character. I mean, you were Popeye Boyle, but then another movie he played, what was the name of the real? Bad 7-14, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was, uh, kind of interesting. I really didn't want to do *** sequel to The French Connection. I, you know, I wanted to go on and to do other things, but contractually I had, um, was obliged to do it, so, so that when Fox finally decided they wanted to do that, that film, it was, uh, I think 2.5 years later. Rick Torn gave you your first job in New York that's right. Rip and I worked uh off Broadway in *** in *** play called Chaparral and uh that was great fun.