Jan. 6 witnesses push Trump stalwarts back to rabbit hole

former president wanted Pence to reject the votes. Today was the third hearing of the committee that's investigating the january 6th 2021 insurrection at the U. S. Capitol. The primary focus today was on the legal battle that led up to the insurrection about what Vice president Mike Pence could or could not do to overturn the results of the election. We examined practice under the electoral count. And Greg Jacobs says that he and Pence went through the law. They went through the history and it was very clear to them that there was *** very limited role for the vice president to play. He was not someone who was meant to assert his will on the outcome the election. He was there too proclaim the actual results of the electors from each state and tally them up and announced that total. And that was something that apparently we learned today. Mike Pence never wavered on despite the pressure campaign from President Donald trump under the constitution. I had no right to change the outcome of our election. Donald trump begins to tweet about mike Pence and what he wants mike Pence to do. He speaks about him while the ellipse and one of the really harrowing moments from today's hearing was seeing rioters and insurrectionists actually chanting, hang mike pence. It's 40 ft is the distance between the rioters and mike pence. That's how close they got. And the committee used that number as an example to say this was *** very scary moment for the vice president. His life was literally in danger. We learned and we saw never before seen photographs of him in *** secure space actually holding up his phone at the moment that trump was tweeting about him. He was given the option you know, do you want to leave, Can you figure out *** way to get out of here? Do you want to get you out of here? And he was determined to stay and he stayed and he finished out the job, finished out the work and all we are demanding *** vice president Pence. There are multiple moments during today's hearing in which the committee sought to show that even in real time Eastman wasn't quite sure about what he was doing both in terms of its viability or even its legality. One of the really interesting moments is we saw an email that Eastman had sent after the riot had taken place in which he said, I think I should be on the pardon list if that's still in the works, not *** pardon but the pardon list Judge luttig was present today as *** way to really bolster this idea That January six was not necessarily just *** one off event that it was indicative and emblematic of *** broader graver threat to democracy if left unchecked. I do think that we're going to see and we are already seeing an inclination of willingness to challenge or undo election results

One by one, several of Donald Trump's former top advisers have told a special House committee investigating his role in the Jan. 6 insurrection that they didn't believe his lies about the 2020 election, and that the former president knew he lost to Joe Biden.But instead of convincing Trump's most stalwart supporters, testimony from former attorney general Bill Barr and Trump's daughter Ivanka about the election and the attack on the U.S. Capitol is prompting many of them to simply reassert their views that the former president was correct in his false claim of victory.Barr's testimony that Trump was repeatedly told there was no election fraud? He was paid off by a voting machine company, according to one false claim that went viral this week. Ivanka Trump saying she didn't believe Trump either? It's all part of Trump's grand plan to confuse his enemies and save America.The claims again demonstrate how deeply rooted Trump's false narrative about the election has become."It's cognitive dissonance," said Jennifer Stromer-Galley, a Syracuse University professor who has studied how Trump used social media and advertising to mobilize his base. "If you believe what Trump says, and now Bill Barr and Trump's own daughter are saying these other things, it creates a crack, and people have to fill it."The lawmakers leading the hearings into the deadly attack on the U.S. Capitol said one of their goals is to show how Trump repeatedly lied to his supporters in an effort to hold onto power and subvert American democracy."President Trump invested millions of dollars of campaign funds purposely spreading false information, running ads he knew were false, and convincing millions of Americans that the election was corrupt and he was the true president," said Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., the panel's vice chair. "As you will see, this misinformation campaign provoked the violence on January 6th."For those who accept Trump's baseless claims, Barr's testimony was especially jarring. In his interview with investigators, he detailed Trump's many absurd allegations about the election 2020, calling them "bogus" and "idiotic."Barr told the committee when he talked with Trump, "there was never an indication of interest in what the actual facts were.""He's become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff," Barr said.Following his testimony, many Trump supporters using sites like Reddit, GETTR and Telegram blasted Barr as a turncoat and noted that he's disputed Trump's election claims before.But many others began grasping for alternative explanations for this testimony."I'm still hoping Barr is playing a role," one poster said on a Telegram channel popular with Trump supporters.One post that spread widely this week suggested Barr was paid by Dominion Voting Systems, a company targeted by Trump and his supporters with baseless claims of vote rigging. "From 2009 to 2018, DOMINION PAID BARR $1.2 million in cash and granted him another $1.1 million in stock awards, according to SEC filings. (No wonder Barr can't find any voter fraud!)," the post read.Wrong Dominion. Barr was paid by Dominion Energy, a publicly traded company headquartered in Richmond, Virginia, that provides power and heat to customers in several mid-Atlantic states.Unlike Barr, Ivanka Trump has remained intensely popular with many Trump supporters and is seen by many as her father's potential successor. That may be why so many had to find an an alternative explanation for why she told Congress she didn't accept her father's claims.Jordan Sather, a leading proponent of the QAnon theory, claims both Barr and Ivanka Trump lied during their testimony on Trump's orders, part of an elaborate scheme to defeat Trump's enemies by confusing Congress and the American public."I can just imagine Donald Trump telling Ivanka: 'Hey, go to this hearing, say these things. Screw with their heads,'" Sather said last week on his online show.Some Trump supporters dismissed Ivanka Trump's testimony entirely by questioning whether any of it was real. That's another common refrain seen on far-right message boards. Many posters say they don't even believe the hearings are happening, but are a Hollywood production starring stand-ins for the former president's daughter and others."She looks different in a big way," one poster asked on Telegram. "CGI?"

But instead of convincing Trump's most stalwart supporters, testimony from former attorney general Bill Barr and Trump's daughter Ivanka about the election and the attack on the U.S. Capitol is prompting many of them to simply reassert their views that the former president was correct in his false claim of victory.

Barr's testimony that Trump was repeatedly told there was no election fraud? He was paid off by a voting machine company, according to one false claim that went viral this week. Ivanka Trump saying she didn't believe Trump either? It's all part of Trump's grand plan to confuse his enemies and save America.

The claims again demonstrate how deeply rooted Trump's false narrative about the election has become.

"It's cognitive dissonance," said Jennifer Stromer-Galley, a Syracuse University professor who has studied how Trump used social media and advertising to mobilize his base. "If you believe what Trump says, and now Bill Barr and Trump's own daughter are saying these other things, it creates a crack, and people have to fill it."

The lawmakers leading the hearings into the deadly attack on the U.S. Capitol said one of their goals is to show how Trump repeatedly lied to his supporters in an effort to hold onto power and subvert American democracy.

"President Trump invested millions of dollars of campaign funds purposely spreading false information, running ads he knew were false, and convincing millions of Americans that the election was corrupt and he was the true president," said Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., the panel's vice chair. "As you will see, this misinformation campaign provoked the violence on January 6th."

For those who accept Trump's baseless claims, Barr's testimony was especially jarring. In his interview with investigators, he detailed Trump's many absurd allegations about the election 2020, calling them "bogus" and "idiotic."

Barr told the committee when he talked with Trump, "there was never an indication of interest in what the actual facts were."

"He's become detached from reality if he really believes this stuff," Barr said.

Following his testimony, many Trump supporters using sites like Reddit, GETTR and Telegram blasted Barr as a turncoat and noted that he's disputed Trump's election claims before.

But many others began grasping for alternative explanations for this testimony.

"I'm still hoping Barr is playing a role," one poster said on a Telegram channel popular with Trump supporters.

One post that spread widely this week suggested Barr was paid by Dominion Voting Systems, a company targeted by Trump and his supporters with baseless claims of vote rigging. "From 2009 to 2018, DOMINION PAID BARR $1.2 million in cash and granted him another $1.1 million in stock awards, according to SEC filings. (No wonder Barr can't find any voter fraud!)," the post read.

Wrong Dominion. Barr was paid by Dominion Energy, a publicly traded company headquartered in Richmond, Virginia, that provides power and heat to customers in several mid-Atlantic states.

Unlike Barr, Ivanka Trump has remained intensely popular with many Trump supporters and is seen by many as her father's potential successor. That may be why so many had to find an an alternative explanation for why she told Congress she didn't accept her father's claims.

Jordan Sather, a leading proponent of the QAnon theory, claims both Barr and Ivanka Trump lied during their testimony on Trump's orders, part of an elaborate scheme to defeat Trump's enemies by confusing Congress and the American public.

"I can just imagine Donald Trump telling Ivanka: 'Hey, go to this hearing, say these things. Screw with their heads,'" Sather said last week on his online show.

Some Trump supporters dismissed Ivanka Trump's testimony entirely by questioning whether any of it was real. That's another common refrain seen on far-right message boards. Many posters say they don't even believe the hearings are happening, but are a Hollywood production starring stand-ins for the former president's daughter and others.

"She looks different in a big way," one poster asked on Telegram. "CGI?"

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